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	<title>Comments on: Chapter One: Have We Really Been Doing It By The Book?</title>
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	<description>the personal musings and art of Randal Birkey</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chuck Green</title>
		<link>http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/16/chapter-one-have-we-really-been-doing-it-by-the-book/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Randal. 

I have attempted to apply my marketing and design skills to the institutional church for the last ten years and come away with a sense that I was treading water. I feel as though I am excited about knowing God, but that the churches I have attended (in the end) are more concerned with growth than grace. (And I was a contributor to it.)

Reading Barna's Revolution and then Pagan Christianity has really thrown me for a loop. I can't even visit an institutional church these days without deconstructing it. At times, I even think it is doing more harm than good by giving people a false sense that by going to "church" that they are being the Church. 

It is very disconcerting to me. The big question in my mind is, "How can the institutional church be transformed?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Randal. </p>
<p>I have attempted to apply my marketing and design skills to the institutional church for the last ten years and come away with a sense that I was treading water. I feel as though I am excited about knowing God, but that the churches I have attended (in the end) are more concerned with growth than grace. (And I was a contributor to it.)</p>
<p>Reading Barna&#8217;s Revolution and then Pagan Christianity has really thrown me for a loop. I can&#8217;t even visit an institutional church these days without deconstructing it. At times, I even think it is doing more harm than good by giving people a false sense that by going to &#8220;church&#8221; that they are being the Church. </p>
<p>It is very disconcerting to me. The big question in my mind is, &#8220;How can the institutional church be transformed?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rbirkey</title>
		<link>http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/16/chapter-one-have-we-really-been-doing-it-by-the-book/#comment-86</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tannerman,

I think that as you dig deeper into the book you'll see that the specific "traditions" selected for historical review have their applications in both the low church and high church. Having just returned from Spain, and freshly reminded of the "high church" as it existed in Europe, I am reminded of the many "pagan" elements we have in our shared history (Protestants and R. Catholics, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tannerman,</p>
<p>I think that as you dig deeper into the book you&#8217;ll see that the specific &#8220;traditions&#8221; selected for historical review have their applications in both the low church and high church. Having just returned from Spain, and freshly reminded of the &#8220;high church&#8221; as it existed in Europe, I am reminded of the many &#8220;pagan&#8221; elements we have in our shared history (Protestants and R. Catholics, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tannerman</title>
		<link>http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/16/chapter-one-have-we-really-been-doing-it-by-the-book/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Tannerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this book led off with the story, I had to laugh.  One, because the names of the characters used were so off the wall, it just didn't seem realistic (Winchester, Zanobia, Gertrude?)  Additionally, it made me think of a kid's music album I listed to quite a bit growing up... I'm pretty sure it was Kids' Praise 2 with Psalty the Singing Songbook (sad that I know this).  It started out the same way... family hating each other, but then we're all happy when they get to church.  Why such the show?

It was also interesting to note in the footnotes (Page XX) how this book is focused on the Protestant movement ("low church"), not folks in the realm of Anglican, Episcopal, and Lutheran ("high church").  I don't know why that was interesting, but right off, there's a split made in the body of Christ being discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this book led off with the story, I had to laugh.  One, because the names of the characters used were so off the wall, it just didn&#8217;t seem realistic (Winchester, Zanobia, Gertrude?)  Additionally, it made me think of a kid&#8217;s music album I listed to quite a bit growing up&#8230; I&#8217;m pretty sure it was Kids&#8217; Praise 2 with Psalty the Singing Songbook (sad that I know this).  It started out the same way&#8230; family hating each other, but then we&#8217;re all happy when they get to church.  Why such the show?</p>
<p>It was also interesting to note in the footnotes (Page XX) how this book is focused on the Protestant movement (&#8221;low church&#8221;), not folks in the realm of Anglican, Episcopal, and Lutheran (&#8221;high church&#8221;).  I don&#8217;t know why that was interesting, but right off, there&#8217;s a split made in the body of Christ being discussed.</p>
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