Comments on: Pagan Christianity? – Introduction by George Barna http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/ the personal musings and art of Randal Birkey Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:23:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: rbirkey http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/comment-page-1/#comment-2019 rbirkey Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:16:20 +0000 http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/#comment-2019 Derek, thanks for the link to the Driscoll review of the book. I'd have to say that I disagree with Mark's view, but I understand where he's coming from. Mark is a complementarian and has less problems with hierarchy and patriarchy which makes his acceptance "institutional" systems easier. Even though the complementarian view is the most popular view among evangelicals today, there is a strong minority within its fold who honestly disagree. I am one of those egalitarian leaning evangelicals, who has a problem with hierarchy, patriarchy and institutionalism within the church. We don't think this is what Jesus taught or modeled or called his church to be. It is not hard to see that Viola and Barna also tend toward the egalitarian view and thus see the history of the churches development through that grid or "worldview"... as do I. I respect Mark Driscoll on many things... but I just can't agree on this one. Derek, thanks for the link to the Driscoll review of the book. I’d have to say that I disagree with Mark’s view, but I understand where he’s coming from. Mark is a complementarian and has less problems with hierarchy and patriarchy which makes his acceptance “institutional” systems easier. Even though the complementarian view is the most popular view among evangelicals today, there is a strong minority within its fold who honestly disagree. I am one of those egalitarian leaning evangelicals, who has a problem with hierarchy, patriarchy and institutionalism within the church. We don’t think this is what Jesus taught or modeled or called his church to be. It is not hard to see that Viola and Barna also tend toward the egalitarian view and thus see the history of the churches development through that grid or “worldview”… as do I. I respect Mark Driscoll on many things… but I just can’t agree on this one.

]]> By: Derek Taylor http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/comment-page-1/#comment-1995 Derek Taylor Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:33:11 +0000 http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/#comment-1995 For those who might be interested, Mark Driscoll has written a detailed review and response to "Pagan Christianity". He describes where he finds agreement and where he would challenge some of the ideas put forth by Frank Viola. http://www.theresurgence.com/pagan-christianity For those who might be interested, Mark Driscoll has written a detailed review and response to “Pagan Christianity”. He describes where he finds agreement and where he would challenge some of the ideas put forth by Frank Viola.

http://www.theresurgence.com/pagan-christianity

]]> By: rbirkey http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/comment-page-1/#comment-87 rbirkey Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:40:20 +0000 http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/#comment-87 Tannerman, Yes... fun and maybe a bit serious and sad as well. For me it really pointed out how much we have adopted as "truth" based upon non-biblical and cultural influences outside of the Christian community. Not exactly what you would have thought of people who claim to do things "by the book." Tannerman,

Yes… fun and maybe a bit serious and sad as well. For me it really pointed out how much we have adopted as “truth” based upon non-biblical and cultural influences outside of the Christian community. Not exactly what you would have thought of people who claim to do things “by the book.”

]]> By: Tannerman http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Tannerman Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:11:49 +0000 http://www.birkeyblog.com/2008/03/01/pagan-christianity-introduction-by-george-barna/#comment-84 We recently ordered this book and I started reading it last night. I found it quite interesting how many introductions and disclaimers were put on the front of it, even from the Christian publisher that cranked it out (Tyndale). In a way, the historical survey on traditions reminds me of a personal journey I undertook a couple years ago outlining the origins of Christmas traditions. In most cases, it was surprising to see where a lot of that stuff came from, making the whole "reason for the season" and "you can't have Christmas without Christ" stuff quite ironic. Having read the intros and first chapter so far, seems like this is going to be a fun ride. We recently ordered this book and I started reading it last night. I found it quite interesting how many introductions and disclaimers were put on the front of it, even from the Christian publisher that cranked it out (Tyndale).

In a way, the historical survey on traditions reminds me of a personal journey I undertook a couple years ago outlining the origins of Christmas traditions. In most cases, it was surprising to see where a lot of that stuff came from, making the whole “reason for the season” and “you can’t have Christmas without Christ” stuff quite ironic.

Having read the intros and first chapter so far, seems like this is going to be a fun ride.

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